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list is a community list
for those interested in
sharing and getting support regarding the Raw Foods diets which include
animal products as well as vegetable products (aka RAF or RVAF diets),
and particularly the RAF/RVAF diet recommended Aajonus Vonderplanitz in
his book, "We Want to Live." This is not a list for general
about raw foods, but is specifically designed to be a community for
using or experimenting with various RAF/RVAF diets. This list
discussion of fine-tuning of such diets, including successes, failures
and problems, and also allows discussion of even radical modifications
or evolutions of RAF/RVAF diets, or experience-based debates on the
and cons of particular elements of RAF/RVAF diets.
assume that you are eating
or experimenting with a
RAF/RVAF diet if you are on this list.
list does not
exist to proselytize the RAF/RVAF diet,
nor to attack any other diet. This list does not exist to
anyone to a RAF/RVAF diet or from any other diet. Thus, any statements
about diets must be based in experience or fact, and not in general
This is NOT a list for
attacking the general premises
of RAF/RVAF diets (e.g., barbed debunkery), or for telling us that
RAF/RVAF diets is bad (again, debunkery) for us (outside of your own
or that we will die of kidney disease, syphilis, heart disease, e. coli
infections or parasitic infections. There already exist a number of raw
vegan and vegetarian lists which offer a forum for such negative
We have all heard such negatives many times before. We do not
to hear them again!
just say that
live-foods list is a big nasty nest
of "true believers" and near-true believers (having definitely a bit of
rational skepticism, but mostly driven by our wild spirits) and let the
skeptics LEAVE in disgust. The tone should be one of
civil and reasonable disagreements and respectful discussions.
If you are a
“newbie” to the diet, and feel you might
prefer a list devoted solely to supporting the Aajonus Vonderplanitz
of RAF/RVAF diet, then you might better join the
at Yahoo Groups, which is a more narrowly-focused and protected
Particularly, if you need to be protected from the controversy and
surrounding pros and cons debates of aspects of RAF/RVAF diets, then I
strongly recommend that you join the “PrimalDiet”
list at Yahoo groups.
To do so, simply click here
to return to the
page with links for joining either group.
other words, this
list (the “LIVE-FOODS list”) is a
broader forum for discussion of RAF/RVAF diets than is the
In any case, I strongly
recommend joining the PrimalDiet
list as well as this list because you will in effect be exposed to a
broader range of thoughts, questions and opinions by belonging to both
you be familiar with RAF/RVAF diets
and dietary recommendations before you contribute to the
book, "We Want to Live," is available for purchase at
you are not really
interested in RAF/RVAF diets, we
strongly recommend that you do not join either list! If you
interested in RAF/RVAF diets, please unsubscribe by following the
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10. Humor and Tolerance encouraged
Be reasonable and civil
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16. No general attacks on RAF/RVAF diets
Attachments create a problem in many ways, they will be
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Disagreement is fine. Reasoned argument is fine. Personal attacks or
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