Live Food E-mail List Description & Guidelines

Live-Food List Purpose, General Rules and Guidelines

This document will be distributed every two weeks to all members.  It ALSO contains UNSUBSCRIBE information.  If you join the group, you indicate that you will follow the guidelnes and rules.

Description and Purpose
This list is a community list for those interested in sharing and getting support regarding the Raw Foods diets which include animal products as well as vegetable products (aka RAF or RVAF diets), and particularly the RAF/RVAF diet recommended Aajonus Vonderplanitz in his book, "We Want to Live."  This is not a list for general discussion about raw foods, but is specifically designed to be a community for people using or experimenting with various RAF/RVAF diets. This list encourages discussion of fine-tuning of such diets, including successes, failures and problems, and also allows discussion of even radical modifications or evolutions of RAF/RVAF diets, or experience-based debates on the pros and cons of particular elements of RAF/RVAF diets.
We assume that you are eating or experimenting with an RAF/RVAF diet if you are on this list.

This list does not exist to proselytize the RAF/RVAF diet, nor to attack any other diet.  This list does not exist to convert anyone to an RAF/RVAF diet or from any other diet. Thus, any statements about diets must be based in experience or fact, and not in general condemnation.
This is NOT a list for attacking the general premises of RAF/RVAF diets (e.g., barbed debunkery), or for telling us that eating RAF/RVAF diets is bad (again, debunkery) for us (outside of your own experience), or that we will die of kidney disease, syphilis, heart disease, e. coli infections or parasitic infections. There already exist a number of raw vegan and vegetarian lists which offer a forum for such negative diatribes!  We have all heard such negatives many times before.  We do not need to hear them again!

Let's just say that live-foods list is a big nasty nest of "true believers" and near-true believers (having definitely a bit of rational skepticism, but mostly driven by our wild spirits) and let the skeptics LEAVE in disgust.  The tone should be one of legitimate and civil and reasonable disagreements and respectful discuassions.

If you are a “newbie” to the diet, and feel you might prefer a list devoted solely to supporting the Aajonus Vonderplanitz style of RAF/RVAF diet, then you might better join  the “PrimalDiet” list at Yahoo Groups, which is a more narrowly-focused and protected list.  Particularly, if you need to be protected from the controversy and tensions surrounding pros and cons debates of aspects of RAF/RVAF diets, then I strongly recommend that you join the “PrimalDiet” list at Yahoo groups.  To do so, simply click here to return to the page with links for joining either group.

In other words, this list (the “LIVE-FOODS list”) is a broader forum for discussion of RAF/RVAF diets than is the “primaldiet” list.
In any case, I strongly recommend joining the PrimalDiet list as well as this list because you will in effect be exposed to a much broader range of thoughts, questions and opinions by belonging to both lists.

It is important that you be familiar with RAF/RVAF diets and dietary recommendations before you contribute to the list.  Aajonus’ book, "We Want to Live," is available for purchase at http://www.wewanttolive.com.
If you are not really interested in RAF/RVAF diets, we strongly recommend that you do not join either list!  If you are not interested in RAF/RVAF diets, please unsubscribe by following the instructions below.

Sending Messages (after joining)
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UNSUBSCRIBING:
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You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your
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Rules and Guidelines
The short rules of this list are:

        1.   No Attachments
        2.   No Flaming
        3.   No Ads, Chain Letters, Spamming
        4.   About Postings and Private e-mails
        5.   Use of Material Herein
        6.    Member Identity Disclosure and Accountability
        7.   About Research, Marketing & Propagandizing
        8.   No Wildly Off-Topic Discussions
        9.   Humor and Tolerance encouraged
        10.  Be reasonable and civil
        11.  No attacks on persons (ad hominem)
        12.  No virus/trojan warnings unless authenticated
        13   No insulting or defamatory comments
       14.   No sneering
       15.   No general attacks on RAF/RVAF diets

Expanding on those:

No Attachments:
Attachments create a problem in many ways,  They will be stripped by Yahoo Groups if sent.

No Flames:
Disagreement is fine. Reasoned argument is fine. Personal attacks or comments that
come across as mere antagonism to try to degrade the environment are not.  HOSTILITY is not allowed.  Civility is encouraged.
No Flamewars (inflammatory targeting of individuals often intended to escalate).  Anyone who sends a message to the list that appears to me or moderators to be mostly for the purpose of causing trouble will be removed from the list immediately and permanently.

Ads, Chain Letters, Spamming:
Absolutely NO commercial advertisements of any kind, without express written permission of the list owners.  The posting of bulk advertising and bulk junk mail to the list as a whole and to its members is not allowed.   Postings including information where the primary purpose is financial gain or commercial promotion the author are also not allowed, unless there is express written permission of the list owners.
HOWEVER, brief mentions from individuals on this list, to this list, for related products are ok.

Chain letters of any type, regardless of their nature, and "spamming" to the group and its members, are strictly prohibited.

About Postings, Private e-mail:
Reposting private e-mail is a violation of privacy.  Please check your message headers carefully before pressing REPLY or SEND. We understand brainfog, and if you do inadvertently repost someone's private mail, the best first response is abject public and private apology.

Short messages such as "me too" or "thank you, so-and-so" should most likely be sent via private e-mail rather than to the list as well.  Please consider and use your own judgement!

Reposting or rediscussing list mail to another source (or to another person not subscribed to live-food -- excluding immediate family members, spouses, fiancés, and S.O.'s) is not permitted unless permission is granted from all authors involved. This is a private list, and the e-mails contained therein are to remain private.

Use of Material Herein:
Assembling group messages into a database and archiving messages is strictly prohibited for ALL reasons except for personal, private use.

This list is designed for individuals only, as a private support group. No groups or organizations may subscribe. Individuals from groups or organizations may subscribe for their PERSONAL use -- from their PERSONAL e-mail account -- but these individuals must request and receive permission from the authors and list owner on live-food before passing on, reproducing or re-posting *any* list mail.

Reposting of material to commercial sites is expressly prohibited.

Member Identity Disclosure & Accountability:
Members of this list are expected to be who they say they are.  Deliberately misrepresenting your age, sex, professional or educational experience, marital status, reason for subscribing to live-food, or your dietary status, etc., is not allowed.

If you wish to post mesages other than quick "How to" or "How do I. . . ." or "What Should I. . ." questions, you MUST declare your full name and identify yourself, including, if asked, age, gender, and the basics of identity.  This allows folks at least a reasonable chance of authenticating, verifying, evaluating, or researching your statements.  Postings from ANONYMOUS authors/members, other than the short questions described above, are NOT ALLOWED.  If you feel you need to remain anonymous, then either read messages only, or read and perhaps post only a few short questions as defined above.  We want our postings and members to be sincere, reliable, responsible and accountable.  In the commercial and academic worlds, disclosure of identity is seen, for good reason, as crucial to "audit tracking" and accountability.

On Research, Marketing, Propagandizing, etc.:
This list is a SAFE SPACE for live-food subscribers to share information, conversation, and support. It is not intended to be a  place to conduct research, sell products, "preach" religious or political propaganda, spy on other list members, harass other list members, etc. Use of this list for the purposes mentioned above is not allowed. Surveys and Questionnaires are not to to be posted to the group without express written permission of the list owner. Replies to these will not be sent to the list as a whole, but to the one posting the survey/questionnaire. If a list member or someone they know is conducting a research project, and they need help from the members of live-food, prior approval must be given by the list owner.

No Wildly Off-Topic Discussions:
The purpose of this list is to serve for discussions
about RAF/RVAF diets.  Some leeway is afforded.  However, if some
subject starts to drown out the RAF/RVAF topic, it is time for
that subject to have its own listserve.  This is not meant to rule out humor.

Humor and Tolerance:
Humor is encouraged, strongly.  Humor which uses a person or group as a target is prohibited. Tolerance is strongly encouraged, also compassion.

Be reasonable and civil:
Again, respect, kindness and compassion go a long way!

No attacks on persons (ad hominem attacks):
Attacks upon persons are not allowed.  Defamatory or insulting comments about a person are not allowed.

No virus/trojan warnings unless authenticated:
No email virus or trojan warnings without also including a URL from an
authoritative source to prove it is real (such as from the website of
McAfee or Norton, etc).  There are too many fake warnings out there.
Automatic one-week suspension for ignoring this simple rule.

No insulting or defamatory comments:
Defamatory or insulting comments about a person are not allowed.

No sneering:
Ridicule, belittling, debunkery and believer/skeptic flamewars are banned.  Let's just say that live-foods list is a big nasty nest of "true believers" and near-true believers (having definitely a bit of rational skepticism, but mostly driven by our wild spirits) and let the skeptics leave in disgust.  The tone should be one of legitimate and civil and reasonable disagreements and respectful debate.

No general attacks on RAF/RVAF diets:
As noted in our list description, our basic guidelines and welcoming message, this is a list for folks intimately involved with an RAF/RVAF diet.  It is not a forum for indiscriminately attacking the basic premises of RAF/RVAF diets (this does not exclude your negative experiences or problems, which you are welcome to air). We do allow reasonable and civil pro and con discussions of particular aspects or components of RAF/RVAF diets. Let's just say that live-foods list is a big nasty nest of "true believers" and near-true believers (having definitely a bit of rational skepticism, but mostly driven by our wild spirits) and let the skeptics leave in disgust.
If you need to bad-mouth RAF/RVAF diets and tell the world that such will kill us or cause heart disease, syphilis, kidney disease, e. coli infections or death from parasites, there are several vegetarian and raw vegan groups which will welcome you with open arms.  Don’t do it here.  We have heard it a million times already!

Suspensions for breaking most rules:

Two weeks first
Two months second
Permanent afterward
We may also sell your soul to the devil!


Severe or repeated infractions will be met with immediate and permanent suspension and banning.

Please keep the rules in mind, and you'll be fine.

Regards,
with grace and care,

Vinny Pinto, live-foods list owner
and the moderators
 

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PrimalDiet e-mail List

The newer PrimalDiet list is devoted only to discussions of the Primal Diet, the RAF/RVAF diet espoused by Aajonus Vonderplanitz, and the fine-tuning of this diet only. Thus, the the PrimalDiet list is narrower in scope and content, as it is devoted only to adherents of the Primal Diet.  If you are a newcomer to the diet, and your sole interest is in the Primal Diet, and you do not wish to be exposed to debates about various aspects or components of the Primal Diet, then you may wish to belong to this group only, at least in the beginning!

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